TwitPic: We’ll profit from your photos to "protect" you
In one of the most disingenuous pieces of public-relations fluff we’re ever likely to see, the Twitter picture-posting service TwitPic has defended its plans to sell users’ photos.
Writing on TwitPic’s official blog, founder Noah Everett, who describes himself as "the nice guy that finished first", apologised for changes to the service’s terms & conditions that had been interpreted as claiming copyright of every uploaded image. He writes:
To clarify our ToS regarding ownership, you the user retain all copyrights to your photos and videos, it’s your content. Our terms state by uploading content to Twitpic you allow us to distribute that content on twitpic.com and our affiliated partners. This is standard among most user-generated content sites (including Twitter). If you delete a photo or video from Twitpic, that content is no longer viewable.
As we’ve grown, Twitpic has been a tool for the spread of breaking news and events. Since then we’ve seen this content being taken without permission and misused. We’ve partnered with organizations to help us combat this and to distribute newsworthy content in the appropriate manner. This has been done to protect your content from organizations who have in the past taken content without permission. As recently as last month, a Twitpic user uploaded newsworthy images of an incident on a plane, and many commercial entities took the image from Twitpic and used it without the user’s permission.
Noah may indeed be a nice guy, and I’d hate to suggest otherwise, but this statement is horribly misleading, and in such a way that the deceit appears to be deliberate.
For a start, the bit about deleted photos being "no longer viewable" is plain weird. It would have made sense if he’d said "no longer available" or "no longer hosted on our site", but to specifically say that they’re no longer viewable suggests that they’ll still be archived somewhere. In other words, TwitPic is building up a library of valuable images which can be sold and re-sold, even after the user has chosen to delete them and believes they’ve gone forever.
The rest of the statement paints TwitPic as some kind of copyright-defending white knight, concerned about uploaded photos being "taken without permission and misused". To combat this, TwitPic has "partnered with organizations to help us combat this and to distribute newsworthy content in the appropriate manner". Translation: Noah knows that newspapers and picture agencies around the world are using pictures from TwitPic without paying for them, so now he wants a slice of the action. But of course he doesn’t just want a slice, he wants the whole cake, because the people who took the photos in the first place won’t be seeing a cent.
Finally, Noah has the cheek to complain about the theft of a recent newsworthy image, saying that "many commercial entities took the image from Twitpic and used it without the user’s permission". As if the user’s permission matters a jot to TwitPic. From now on, those same commercial entities will still be able to take the image and use it without the owner’s permission, just so long as they throw a few coins in to the TwitPic coffers.
The entirety of this statement from TwitPic is intended to stave off the growing hate campaign from users who don’t like the idea of their copyright being gobbled up. Noah points out that people still own their copyright, which is true, but the whole point of copyright is that you can control who does what with your pictures, and how much they have to pay for the privilege. If you grant distribution rights to TwitPic then your copyright is worthless. If you want £500 for your image, but a newspaper can license it from TwitPic for £400, then you won’t be a part of that deal.
Bottom line, Noah claims that TwitPic’s desire is to "protect your content". It isn’t. TwitPic wants to make money from your content, for themselves, and there’s none for you.


about 2 years ago
hahaha suckers. Your creativity will be used for profit because we have no original ideas or innovation left. What a bunch of tards.
about 2 years ago
ack. I agree with the author. This is disingenuous at best. TG I don’t use twitpic and now it’ll stay that way for sure.
about 2 years ago
What evidence do you have to back up this assumption? “We’ve partnered with organizations to help us combat this” could very well mean they’ve partnered with consumer protection organizations. Instead, you assume the worst.
about 2 years ago
Wow… I can’t believe that guy. Thanks for clearing up this nonsense. I totally fell for his “sincere” apology. Some people…
about 2 years ago
Sad thing is, they’ll probably get away with this. I hope not though. TwitPic can easily do as flickr does, and allow a user to choose a license model for each photo they upload, thus ensuring third parties can’t just use a picture without being held accountable later, and some kind of monitary system could be built on that to include the user & a small fee for TwitPic. I think that would make everyone happy.
As for me, I just deleted all my pics there… but I have no idea how to get TwitPic to actually delete them. (Having a “delete” link that leaves the photo on their system, is misleading too)
about 2 years ago
“If you grant distribution rights to TwitPic then your copyright is worthless.”
That’s a pretty limited view of copyright. There’s a lot more to original material then distribution rights, under the agreement they have drafted the users of the image will still have to credit the author, who retains ownership of the image.
Viewing Copyright as “nothing more then the ability to control who is allowed to see/hear/use/have content is pretty narrow minded. It’s that thinking alone that has destroyed the face of copyright globally, and prevented anyone from seeing value in distribution channels.
You have to look at it in a more general scope. Twitpic is providing a service to it’s users, which costs them money. People use the output of the service for many different tasks, and nowhere along the line does the service make any money. (aside from advertising deals, which as we’ve all seen can’t alone support a site forever)
Personally: I’d like to see how they approach the credit issue, how exactly they expect the people that wish to buy+redistribute the images taken will properly credit the authors.
about 2 years ago
Starve TwitPic out. Stop uploading pictures. Stop using TwitPic. They can only survive if YOU let them.
about 2 years ago
Guess I’ll stop using Twitpic
about 2 years ago
From the TwitPic TOS:
“You understand and agree, however, that Twitpic may retain, but not display, distribute, or perform, server copies of your media that have been removed or deleted. The above licenses granted by you in user comments you submit are perpetual and irrevocable.”
So once you upload a picture, TwitPic can do whatever they want with it forever.
about 2 years ago
Hear, hear. These days, online companies large and small take such great lengths to mine personal information that I despair of seeing any clear and coherent regulations to protect the individual user. I feel violated. Boo, TwitPic.
about 2 years ago
To be fair, “no longer viewable” may mean that TwitPic will no long publish the image but they can’t do anything about third-parties who may have already downloaded the image and are now hosting it themselves.
about 2 years ago
Folks… get a grip. TwitPic is currently operated by less than 10 people. Knowing how Noah and his team go out of their way to provide the best possible customer experience from top to bottom, there is no doubt in my mind there was no malicious intent whatsoever.
They really are trying to protect the (copy)rights of anyone who uploads a photo to TwitPic.
I challenge you to find another photo sharing service with the same level of success, with the same size staff, with the same level of customer service.
about 2 years ago
This is a shameful ploy by yet another website owner.
” Our terms state by uploading content to Twitpic you allow us to distribute that content on twitpic.com and our affiliated partners. This is standard among most user-generated content sites (including Twitter)”
Let’s make Twitpic and all the other companies that use such legal boilerplate declare and have to regularly provide a current list of their “affiliated partners”.
How do I know who their partners are and what are their partners going to do with my data? Are their partners going to share the data with their partners too? Of course they are.
When you delete your data from Twitpic and the rest of these service providers what you should do also is cancel your account. Following such a step, draft up a notice in your word processor telling them your user name and that you have deleted and closed your account and you want all your data PERMANENTLY removed from their server, archives, etc. and you do not authorize them to share anything with anyone there onward.
In Twitpic’s case, the letter should be shipped to:
Everett, Noah noah@twitpic.com
Twitpic Inc
7736 Farr St
Suite 907
Charleston, South Carolina 29492
United States
+1.8432772679
about 2 years ago
> Our terms state by uploading content to Twitpic you allow us to distribute that content on twitpic.com and our affiliated partners. This is standard among most user-generated content sites (including Twitter).
The standard boilerplate that this refers to doesn’t mean what Twitpic thinks it means. Here’s the clause in question, copied from Google’s TOS:
> By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services.
And you know what? It continues:
> This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services
In plain language: As copyright law gives *you* all rights to your work by default, including distribution and (even technologically required) modification, you’re giving the service the right to distribute and modify your copyrighted content as they wish *within that service*. This is just to prevent you from going “I have a religious objection to all Thumbnailing, so you can’t do that because I don’t permit that kind of derivative works.”
(I’m slightly worried about Google reserving rights to “promote” the service with the user’s content, but at least you can’t argue that selling pictures to third parties is “promotion”).
about 2 years ago
Google’s Terms of Service are actually worse:
11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.
11.2 You agree that this license includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.
—- snip —
Google’s TOS is all covering. It includes Gmail. How would you feel about those terms applying to your mailbox content?
How would you feel about Google, “publicly perform[ing]” or “publicly display[ing]” your presumed private emails?
about 2 years ago
I’ve unfortunately seen this all too many times in recent years. To me their is only one solution left. Asking and pleading hasn’t worked. The only option left is a wholesale strengthening of the international copyright treaties (and the law based on them). Issues such as copyright piracy above, rights grabs, unauthorised licencing and theft by media organisations need to be heavily criminalised and the sanctions made sever enough that they will actually serve as an effective deterrent. The system is so half hearted at present that megaliths like twitter, facebook, flikr and google simply choose to wing it and pay any compensation that comes along. There needs to be scope for unlimited fines, something that will actually stop them and make them think. Something that really will work as a deterrant. Money is the language these organisations understand, money is the only effective counter weapon that will work against them.
about 2 years ago
In the user settings, if you want to delete your account, it says the following:
“Delete Account
If you would like to delete your account, you may do so here. It will HIDE all of your media and your profile. If you log in again after deletion, your account and media will be RESTORED.”
They are definitely archiving the material, and there’s nothing we can do about it. Or is there?
about 2 years ago
Bye Bye TwitPic. Does anyone know of a photo hosting site that doesn’t do this?? i think that is the better question.
about 2 years ago
For those that are looking, here’s a quick tool to delete all of your TwitPics: http://jorj.org/twitter-images.html
about 2 years ago
Problem is that all these “cloud” content plays are doing the same legal boilerplate legal scamming. Social media is, photo storage is, review sites have been, the list goes on and on.
The only way you can even hope to be gone out of their system for good is to draft up and print and deliver via registered mail an official I QUIT delete my data request.
They are able to handle truly deleting data, but why would they want to do that? Lots of data gets abandoned and/or people forget about such. These companies certainly have been aggregating and selling such data.
For instance, ever wonder where those photos on the many empty and fake dating sites came from? From services like these via the abandonment idea.
You can’t trust a company who’s business model is to offer a free service like this. Where is their income? Where’s the incentive to do the right thing?
There is no such thing as free. If you aren’t paying, then you must be the product. Saying the biz model is to be acquired is only partially right. Who buys a business with no prospect for income. These folks haven’t all taken some technocracy vowel of self imposed poverty. Mainstream folks should have seen and figured out these sorts of scams years ago.
about 2 years ago
@yfrog is such service. Go to http://yfrog.com most of the mobile app already run yfrog as default photo sharing service. Supports videos also, no shady ToS that would sell your photos.
about 2 years ago
Guys,
I suggest that everyone who cares about the rights of creators notes that there is a web site dedicated to challanging all organisations who seek to take the rights from all artists.
They also list the bad and the good competitions…only photography ones so far.
Artist’s organisations are invited to get involved with the work they are doing.
As it appears that it is not possible in include actual web site address here it is again: artists-bill-of-rights (dot) org Hope this gets through!
Cheers
Richard
about 2 years ago
Stop using twitpic. They are theves. Use an alternative elegant image service. http://twitshoot.com